Candidates 2014: Arvind Kejriwal – Full Text

Madhu Trehan: Thank you all for coming. Welcome to Candidates 2014 on Facebook Talks Live here on NDTV. I’m Madhu Trehan from Newslaundry. Also live now is the Facebook election tracker from where you can get political trends on Facebook.

In this multiplatform show we will get candidates to engage with citizens of India in person and online.  We have questions that you have posted on Facebook. We will have questions from this live audience here and questions from me. We were supposed to start this series yesterday, with BJP’s prime ministerial candidate, chief minister Chief Minister Narendra Modi, but he cancelled. Waade toot jaatehain, lekinkoshisheinkaamyaabhojatihain. Modijiphiraanekikoshishzaroorkarna.

So today we start the series with ex-chief minister of Delhi, Arvind Kejriwal who will take questions from Faceb­­­ook users, the audience and me. This is not a debate. It is not an interrogation. This is a Town Hall meeting – to understand the positions these politicians take that will affect our lives.

Arvind Kejriwal will go down in history for turning politics on its head. Starting off with dharnas and anshans, he catapulted to becoming Chief Minister for 49 days. Now the AamAdmi Party is gearing towards fighting the LokSabha elections. I am sure all of you have great questions and Arvind usually enjoys answering all of them. Please welcome the most underestimated dark horse that won, Arvind Kejriwal. Arvind you have 3 minutes to spell out your vision for India .

Arvind Kejriwal: Namaskar

Madhu Trehan: If you can give us your vision for India.

Arvind: Before I start I have a question. Modiji was supposed to come yesterday. Why didn’t he come?

Madhu Trehan: It’s a very important question. I think if a politician thinks that a news organisation has spoken against him, he should make an effort to engage with them and put forth his ideas. After all if you look at Washington, so much is written  against American politicians. But the journalists there are invited to White House dinners because there is an engagement.

We were hoping to break that.

You have also spoken against news organisations.

Arvind Kejriwal: But we speak to all media houses. We criticise you if you are wrong, we congratulate when you are right. But we would always come to you and answer the questions of the public.

Anyway I read in the papers that Modi had set certain conditions for this event. What were they?

Madhu Trehan: But first, you tell us about your party’s vision.

Arvind Kejriwal: The life of a common man in India is in trouble. It is extremely difficult to run a family or pay for your child’s educational expenses. The biggest problems plaguing our country today are corruption and inflation. If we can remove corruption from India, I believe it would bring revolution to our land. In my 49 days as CM, I realised that there is no dearth of money in government. Claims of fiscal deficit and revenue deficit are utter rubbish. People running the government lack integrity. That’s the problem. If there is honesty and integrity there will be no dearth of wealth in government offices. There are two issues which are of paramount importance to us – education and health. A child born into a low-income family goes to a government school where the quality of education is extremely poor. I think there is no dearth of money in India. If all of us and our government are determined to improve the quality education for all, the infrastructure of primary education in India will improved by leaps and bounds and within one generation all are children across socio economic background will be at the same level. And then they would take our country ahead of England and America. Secondly, health is another crucial issue. There are a number of excellent private hospitals in India but the quality of the public hospitals have to improve. If we improve our hospitals and remove corruption our country will become a super power.

Madhu Trehan: We have a Facebook question from Kishor Shinde – Is Corruption the only threat India is facing today? Why are you not focusing on other issues also?

Arvind Kejriwal: But when we were in power, we raised several issues. We spoke on electricity, water, the Sikh riots, roads, trade and industry. But the bigger issue underlying all others is corruption. If our politicians work with integrity, India can become “a sone-ki-chidiya” once again.

Madhu Trehan: How will you resolve the conflict in policies that encourage investment in growth against policies which are for the poor and under privileged?

Arvind Kejriwal: There is no conflict between the two.

Madhu Trehan: But there is. Regarding the Shadipurdepo incident…the bulldozers were there ready to wipe out the residents. Katputli colony would have been finished for real estate to take over.

Arvind Kejriwal: But how is that development if you are forcing people out of their homes! I know of that particular case and I don’t want to take names. The builder said that both BJP and Congress have accepted our condition…only you are not agreeing to our plan. This is not growth and investment.

Madhu Trehan: A friend of mine was there at the site. He was trying different stunts to stop the bulldozer. He said that two of your party men came gave a talk and left. Now why does the passion and commitment that you bring to the table not get percolated down to the rest of your party workers?

Arvind Kejriwal: No no…that is not true. Please understand I am an ordinary man. All AAP members are ordinary people.

Madhu Trehan : But you cannot call yourself an ordinary citizen any more.

Arvind Kejriwal: No, I am a very ordinary man. I have no power .The faceless party workers of AAP are our strength. People like them who have left their jobs, their source of livelihood for our party and our country…they are my strength. We can’t underestimate the passion in these men and women. People like them were present in the Katputli colony.

Madhu Trehan: We have a Facebook question from Satish Dabhade – What are your party’s views on the Reservation policy (SC/ST/OBC and also about Women and Minority Reservation) in education, Public and the Private Sector?

Arvind Kejriwal: We have to accept and that reservation is important for the back ward sections of our country. One day I calculated that roughly 2 lakh jobs are generated by local and state govt every year. Now there are twenty to twenty five crore people under this bracket. Now how will two lakh jobs reach 20-25 crore people? It would take a hundred years. So reservation is not the solution. The only thing that can change the face of our country is education. If one family member has already benefitted from education, the benefit should now go to another needy family where no one has been able to reap the benefits of reservation yet.

Untouchability is rampant not just across Indian villages but also its cities. A man coming from that kind of a background has never heard the word reservation before. It will take years before he can benefit from our reservation policy. His life would improve only if the quality of education is improved in his village. So education can bring all of us at the same level. And this would take no more than a generation. Reform in Education would bring a nation revolution in India.

Madhu Trehan: People want change in the education system.

Arvind Kejriwal: Yes but the politicians have opened their own private schools. Why should they bother about the govt schools now?

Madhu Trehan: Now we have an audience question from Karuna Nundy, a lawyer.

Karuna Nundy: You went on protest on the Neha Yadav rape case and on police reform. If you come to power what will you do on this specific issue?

Arvind Kejriwal: You mean women safety issue.

Karuna Nundy: We call it women’s freedom. We had given you a sheet on India Women’s Freedom Manifesto. Do you commit to the six priority points there?

Arvind Kejriwal: I fully commit to the six points. Why don’t you read out the six points to the audience here and those who are watching this show on TV or on the net? They are six wonderful points. We commit to them.

Karuna Nundy:  I think you should read them out.

Arvind Kejriwal: The manifesto reads Educate for Equality.

1 We will implement comprehensive long funded public education programme.

2 We will provide adequate govt fund and resources for women’s education.

3 We will make laws count.

4 We would also make sure that the laws which are against women stand rectified.

Karuna Nundy: Yes but it is not just about violation but also equality. We have also included property rights. If you come to power can each of your ministers break down and see what are the laws that need change.

Madhu Trehan: We have to take more questions now. Sujata Madhok from the audience.SujataMadhok from NirmanMazdoorPanchayatSangam

Sujata Madhok: You claim to support the aamaadmi. What will you do for an ordinary worker? What is your policy for an ordinary mazdoor. I think the biggest problem is that of daily wage labour. Contract labourers are there in both the organised and unorganised sector. What will you do about it?

Arvind Kejriwal: I completely agree with you. In fact when we fought the Delhi polls, this was a major point in our declaration. I think there are problems for both contract and regular labourers. To avoid normal benefits and bypass the law regular employment has been stopped in both the govt and the private sector. As the Chief Minister of Delhi I was also the Chairperson of NDMC. I was surprised when one of the departmental heads of NDMC told me that he is the only permanent employee in the department. All other employees including the Assistant Director’s post is on contract.

Madhu Trehan : We have to take more questions now. Sujata Madhok from the audience.

Sujata Madhok from Nirman Mazdoor Panchayat Sangam

Sujata Madhok : You claim to support the AamAadmi. What will you do for an ordinary worker? What is your policy for an ordinary mazdoor? I think the biggest problem is that of daily wage labour. Contract labourers are there in both the organised and unorganised sector. What will do about it?

Arvind Kejriwal: I completely agree with you. In fact when we fought the Delhi polls this was a major point in our declaration. I think there are problems for both contract  and regular labourers. To avoid normal benefits and bypass the law, regular employment has been stopped in both the govt and the private sector. As the Chief Minister of Delhi I was also the Chairperson of NDMC.I was surprised when one of the departmental heads of NDMC told me that he is the only permanent employee in the department. All other employees including the Assistant Director’s post is on contract.

What is the process of contract labour? You ask a contractor to supply 2,000 labourers. He takes Rs 20,000 from the govt to pay the labourers but spends between 5,000-7,000 on them but he makes these labourers sign on an exorbitant amount of Rs 20,000.

Contract labour is a conspiracy. The labourers get no PF or medical benefit. They are made to work for 365 days without any leave facility. So this is nothing but exploitation. According to Contract Labour Act of 1971 work which needs commitment for 365 days cannot be done with contract labour. It is violation of law, constitution and humanity. But I should mention here that labour laws and minimum wages act should be followed where there is need for contact labour .So I fully agree with you.

Madhu Trehan: When you was the Delhi Chief Minister, the DTC workers sat on dharna. And when you met them you said this is not the way….Didn’t you feel a sense of irony there? So when you sit in dharna it is all right but when they sit in dharna it is wrong?

Arvind Kejriwal: I asked the Chief Secratary to set up the procedures to look into the issue of the DTC workers’ issue. The procedure needed a week’s time. But the workers demanded results in 24 hours.

Madhu Trehan : But you also wanted everything immediately too. You wanted Delhi police under you. You wanted the Jan Lokpal bill right away. So why should they be patient when you are not.

Arvind Kejriwal : You have asked three questions .I will answer one by one. First the DTC workers wanted everything within 24 hours. It’s not possible. But even if we pass the order BJP will go to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court will repeal it.Secondly I sat on dharna after the rape of a Danish woman. Women’s safety is very important in Delhi. Now there are two types of rape. One is incest and the other is when the alleged rapist is unknown to the victim. When an outsider is involved in the rape, police can track down the culprit. 90 % of these crimes cannot happen without the some kind of police involvement. Our party was determined to stop this.

Madhu Trehan: You demanded police suspension in the case of Nigerian women not rape .

Arvind Kejriwal: Let me finish. So I asked what was the SHO doing. If a woman was raped what was the beat constable doing. Someone has to take responsibility.

But there is corruption in the police. The SHO usually takes money and forgoes responsibility. So this is how it works.First it was the gang rape of a Danish woman. I said that the SHO of the area has to be suspended. In another instance a woman was burnt alive by her in-laws. Our minister Rakhi Birla was present outside the house of the in-laws all night. She demanded that the SHO be arrested. He challenged Rakhi, said that she won’t be able to transfer him for breach of duty. So if the police has the audacity to threaten a minister what can you say about law and order in Delhi. And thirdly there was the Malviya Nagar case involving drug and sex racketeers. So our long term demand was that Delhi police should come under the Delhi government and our short term demand was suspension of SHOs in these three areas.

Madhu Trehan : Your dharnas seem an end in itself . Generally the 1^st step of dharna is to raise an issue. The second step is to have a doable goal. But for you dharna becomes the goal in itself. You did not get Delhi police in the end.

Arvind Kejriwal : We suspended two officers.

Madhu Trehan: They went on holiday. So you didn’t achieve anything.

Arvind Kejriwal: Ok I didn’t achieve anything.

Madhu Trehan: We now have an audience question. Manju from a self-help group.

Manju: How would you like to use the Nirbhaya fund?

Arvind Kejriwal: But the central government has to decide that.

Manju: No but if you come to power how would you use the fund.

Arvind Kejriwal: We would take several steps. There should be certainty and swiftness in punishment. If we follow this rule all thosemajnus moving around our streets can be brought to book. Let me give you a small figure. In the last one year there were 1,630 rapes in India. You have heard about the Nirbhaya incident. National media covered it well. Even a fast track court was started to deliver justice in the case. But no one know about the other 1629 cases. They would take another 20 years.The rapists know that they will not go behind the bars. When I met the Chief Justice of Delhi I told him that we should start 100 new courts. That would automatically accelerate the justice process. Trials would not take more than three to four months. Social attitude needs to change. In the Nirbhaya case so many private cars and police cars passed by the wounded body of the girl and her friend. No one stopped. We have to change this kind of attitude. And laws should support those who come out and help others. Not hound them down for being witness to a crime.

Madhu Trehan: While doing research on you I found the amount of work you got done in 49 days was mind boggling. You shifted people in regulation, electricity, power.

Arvind Kejriwal: Thank you. They say we don’t know how to govern. Please tell them we know governance.

Madhu Trehan: But why did you then resign. You made so many changes…shifted people. But you finally created a situation to resign. Why did you not stay in govt to make Delhi a show piece for change and good governance?

Arvind Kejriwal: This would not have been possible without the Lokpal Bill.

Madhu Trehan: But you made so many change in 49 days .Why couldn’t you stick around a little longer?

Arvind Kejriwal: We were moving step by step. Just like I said that there has to be certainty and swiftness in punishment that has to apply in corruption cases also. I don’t want people to go to jail but they should have fear.

Madhu Trehan: The idea of sting operation was a very strange technique. A teenager…a student can be shooting his teachers or vice versa. Everybody under some kind of surveillance. It brought back the feeling of the old Soviet Union.

Arvind Kejriwal: In Soviet Union the state used to do surveillance but here the people are doing it among themselves.

Madhu: No over there, children used to go against their parent and reaped benefits from the state.

Arvind Kejriwal: There is a lot of difference between the two.

Madhu Trehan: But there should be.(laughs)

Arvind Kejriwal: There are two types of corruptions .One is extortionist corruption i.e. bribery that happens at the lower level. Another is a high level corruption. The dynamics of two are different. And the way they should be dealt is also different.

Now people don’t like to pay bribe.The guy who has to shell out cash to get his passport done doesn’t like to bribe but has to. We asked people like him to bring corruption to the forefront. We asked them to record the act when someone asked for bribe.

We made five arrests in this manner. Corruption at the lower level came down drastically after that.People stopped taking bribes across government departments.

But to tackle corruption at the higher level you need Lok Pal. Why did AAP come into existence in the first place? Why did Anna Ji go on hunger strike, why did we go on hunger strike? Lokpal bill is essential to tackle corruption. We want to say to the people that we couldn’t have done more with just 29 seats. Give us 40 seats and then we can do more.

Madhu Trehan:  We will take a Facebook question from SankalpBhaireli

What are your views on Arunachal Pradesh over China’s claim? And on the Kashmir issue and specially on Siachen issue.

Arvind Kejriwal:  Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh are integral parts of India. The people of Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh are also part of this country. It is not just a land mass. We have to win their hearts.

Madhu Trehan: What will you do about the Uniform Civil Code and Article 370.

Arvind Kejriwal: All that I can say is that we cannot win hearts with rifles. They are part of our country. Also the army should not be there forever.

Madhu Trehan: And Article 370?

Arvind Kejriwal: I think there are two types of Federalism – symmetrical and asymmetrical. Article 371 is like 370. There is article 371 A,B and C. Different states had different accession agreement. Our country is diverse. If the union civil code affects the fundamental right of an Indian, if women’s rights are violated we have to look at it seriously.

Madhu Trehan: What do you have to say about PrashantBhushan’sview of referendum in Kashmir?

Arvind Kejriwal: That’s his personal view and he does not subscribe to it any longer.

Madhu Trehan: Ok so you convinced him. (laughs)

When we come back we will ask Arvindwhat he thinks of Anna’s affection for Mamata. Stay tuned.

Madhu Trehan : Welcome we are back to Candidates 2014. Arvind, when you joined politics and decided to form a party, at that time Anna Hazare disapproved you joining politics and starting the party. He said he would never endorse a political party but now he has endorsed Mamata Banerjee. What do you think that she has that you don’t? Don’t you feel betrayed?

Arvind Kejriwal: I think Annaji will be able to tell youthat …how can I say that.

Madhu Trehan: You can assess as a politician why he did not endorse you as a politician?

Arvind Kejriwal: My bad luck.

Madhu Trehan: But don’t you feel some betrayal?

Arvind Kejriwal: No, not betrayal. I think it can be said that it is my bad luck.

Madhu Trehan: Now you have reached Hindi movie,Bollywood….blaming bad luck.

Arvind Kejriwal: Anna did not like us – he liked her and Mamata Banerjee’s brand of politics. He will tell you why, as I said before.

Madhu Trehan: Will you back Mamata Banerjee now?

Arvind Kejriwal : No, I don’t think so.

Madhu Trehan: So you don’t follow on this but with anything else you would follow?

Arvind Kejriwal: No Annaji is a very respectful person for us…but there can be difference of opinion.

Madhu Trehan: You are the architect of Jan Lokpal Bill, you made Anna hazare the star…

Arvind Kejriwal: I do not make stars.

Madhu Trehan: Now he says that ArvindKejriwal is hungry for power…that must hurt?

Arvind Kejriwal: It definitely hurts…it is a serious thing…IfAnnaji said something that is very for us. If he wants to support her that is her personal view but if says that we are power hungry then it definitely hurts.

Madhu Trehan: Don’t you think that on this your respect is misplaced?

Arvind Kejriwal: No, my respect for him will be intact.

Madhu Trehan: Is it a blind faith or being shrewd, Arvind?

Arvind Kejriwal: Definitely not blind faith. I have lot of respect for him but there can be difference of opinion too.  But that will not minimise my respect for him.  I may have difference of opinion with him. When a kid is being mischievous the mother’s lovefor the child does not reduce.  So my regards for him for him will never be less.

Madhu: Who is the mother and who is the child? Who is being mischievous here?

Arvind Kejriwal: My respect for him will never erode.

Madhu Trehan: You know that kind of hero worshipping, having blind faith sows the seed of a dictator…no matter whatever he says you will take it.

Arvind Kejriwal: No that will never happen. It is my personal relationship with him.

Madhu Trehan: But that is unrequited love. I would write a letter to **** saying it is unrequited love…

Arvind Kejriwal: Yes, I understand that. But I have the freedom to reject your advice too. I have lot of respect for you too.

Madhu Trehan: We have question from the audience, Ms Kapoor

Ms Kapoor: Does your party have a formal think tank for formulating policies?

Arvind Kejriwal: Many are there. There are several subjects on which we have set up think tanks. There were about 35 to 50 teams which were set up for policy teams and Yogendra Yadav had been supervising that.  We also have a team for building political strategies.

Audience: And how do you select the members for these?

Arvind Kejriwal: There are no democracies there. It is just discussed within ourselves. A lot of people come and there are discussions. There are others whom we know.

Madhu Trehan: We have a Facebook question…by Krishna Prasad.

Krishna Prasad: Arvind sir, you were a former and crucial member of team Anna…but you are supporting Mamata Banerjee in the upcoming Lok Sabha Elections…but you did not reply to the 17 points of good governance. Why you did not you reply? Why is he supporting the TMC and not you (ArvindKejriwal)?

Arvind Kejriwal: Igave an answer. I went to meet him last time he visited Delhi after I became the chief minister once sometime in February. So at that time he never wrote a formal letter to us. He gave us a piece of paper on which 17 points were written and he asked me what my party’s opinion on them.  I read those points and believed that those were really basic points which we all know and our party definitely stands for. So immediately I said to him that I support those points. But he said that would not suffice and I should go and ask the core committee of my party. Next again four of us including me, Sanjay Singh, Manish Sisodia and Ashutosh we went to meet him and said that we acceded to all the 17 points put forth by him.

Madhu Trehan: You launched the AamAadmi Party in November 2012, became chief minister in 2013 and within 49 days you resigned. Your party has shown many instances of dissent and fissures. Why is it that you did not consolidate your party, rather than rushing to the LokSabha elections…what is the rush?

Arvind Kejriwal: The country needed the rush.

Madhu Trehan: The country is not going anywhere; we are always on the brink. You could always take care of us. But first the party had to be consolidated.

Arvind Kejriwal: Party important nahihain. BJP and Congress might pose the party on the forefront but we do not do that. Anyone who comes to me I say to them that do not work for me or the party, work for the country. Party is not important and consolidating the party is not a priority. According to me today at the phase the country is going through, if it is continued in this manner then after a few years the country will cease to survive. They have looted the country badly; they have looted the coal mines, 2G spectrums, bailed the rivers, forests, land and energy resources of the country. The bad times of the will continue to ensue if we do not take any action. I always say AamAadmi party is not important, I request every common man and woman should come together and try to save the country as there is no other option.

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Madhu Trehan: Good to have you back. You choose you viewing well. This is CANDIDATES 2014.Arvind, you asked the people of Delhi to break the law when you asked them to re-join the connected meters.It was in your view the just thing to do. But you asked them to break the law. I am going to read out a quote now and you have to tell me who you think said it. “You accuse me of breaking the law. Forty years ago one man was against the law. Today the country calls him Bapu”

Arvind Kejriwal: I don’t know.

Madhu Trehan: Anyone from the audience?

Madhu Trehan: He is the father of the man who were attacking all over Kanpur…the father of Mukesh Ambani, Dhirubhai Ambani said that.  So one man’s Satygarah is another man’s crime.  How do your followers know which laws to break and which to follow?

Arvind Kejriwal: See this is an important question. When Gandhiji went on Satyagraha he taught the countrymen what Satyagraha meant and what was the right time for it. If a law formulated by the government is unfair we try to persuade them that the law should be changed.

You first try to explain the government. The process of explaining creates an awareness among.And we involve the common people to persuade the government. And there are processes…we write letters, we go on dharnas, we use all methods to convince the government. But if the government fails to relate to the demands even after that it becomes the duty of every citizen to break the law and invite punishment. And in a sense there is sacrifice involved in the process…that I will be ready to tolerate the punishment for breaking such a law.

Madhu Trehan: Please talk  in the context of Dhirubhai Ambani.

Arvind Kejriwal: If for example someone has committed a murder, the people will not support him. But if you have a cause to fight for and it is just then people will support it.

Madhu Trehan: We have Col. Virendra Kumar Sharma in the audience with a question.

Col. Virendra Kumar Sharma: We appreciate that you have created a space for us against corruption. But we are still not sure about your vision, policies, structure of your team.Do you have a a road map for yourself and your party sir? My second question is…are you seeking solution out of chaos or do have a road map?

Arvind Kejriwal: I do not have a road map…either for my party or myself. Our dream is see a corruption free India. And in my 49 days in office I have been convinced that India can be a corruption free country. If we can create a wave in Delhi, within its bureaucracy in 49 days, I am  sure it is possible to make India a corruption free country. This is our only dream and this is the only road map we have in from of us.

Madhu Trehan: We will go to Facebook’s question from Jonny Williams-are you going to contest Lok Sabha elections or not.

Arvind Kejriwal: I am not sure. My contesting election is not an important issue.

Madhu Trehan: Now this is an important question I wanted to ask myself. You have followed Gandhiji in more ways than just fasting. Gandhiji used to change his mind all the time and you change your mind all the time too. You said that you don’t want to become the chief minister but you became the CM of Delhi, you said that you won’t take support from any party, but you took support from Congress. How can we trust you?

Arvind Kejriwal: I have changed my decisions quite often. But I have also put forth the reasons for doing so.

Madhu Trehan: So let us say you are flexible.

Arvind: Thank you. (Smiles)

Madhu Trehan:  We have an audience question from Abhiskesk Saxena, an IIT student.

Abhishek: Sarojini Naidu once said that you need a lot of money to keep Gandhiji in poverty. I think this is true for you as well. Over 1700 policemen were deployed for your oath ceremony when merely 100 could have done the job at LG’s house. You wanted to have a special parliament session at Ramleela Maidan which would have cost over 50 laths extra to the exchequer. How do you explain this sir?

Arvind Kejriwal: This is not about keeping me in poverty. When Annaji was went on dharna at the Ram Leela maidan over 17,000 police were deployed. It was to protect the democracy of the country…our democracy was in danger. And if we have to deploy 17,000 policemen to protect the democracy of India, it is nothing. If this agitation takes place at Ramleela Maidan then all those people who break mikes, who break laws will not dare to do so and democracy would be restored.

Madhu Trehan: We have about 30 seconds left…we went through your footage…a lot of sequences where you say claim to give up life…sacrifice you like for India, for our constitutaion. Why so eager to die! We want you to be alive, to solve our problems. Why are you becoming the the Manoj Kumar of politics. Why do you want to give up your life?

Arvind Kejriwal: (Laughs) I cannot save the country alone. And time has come for all of us to fight and sacrifice for our country.

Madhu Trehan: We are out of time. That was Arvind Kejriwal who has dominated the airwaves and the television for the past one year while attacking the media all along in the same breadth. He talks to us but he still attacks us. Arvind we hope you have a better view of us now. We hope that our viewers have a clearer picture of your politics and your party. And in this series we will continue to bring people who could determine what the next government may look like. Tomorrow we will be back with another CANDIDATE on CANDIDATES 2014 on Newslaundry and Facebook Talks Live at 8pm here on NDTV.